According to the founders of The Product Boss, makers gotta make money. Otherwise, a business is just a hobby.

This week, Phoebe is joined by Minna and Jacqueline of The Product Boss, who aim to provide ideas and strategies to product entrepreneurs stuck in a sea of service-based advice. Tune in as they discuss the ins and outs of what it really takes to scale a product-based small business and to learn why the successful entrepreneurs-turned-coaches want makers to shift their mindset away from perfectionist ideals and limiting beliefs in order to take their beautiful offerings from “just a hobby” to a full-blown successful business.